what is the income level of your household?

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  1. Those people care how much rich people make? If you care so much about what the poorer than you are struggling with what have you done for them? How many IVF cycles have you paid for with those without the means or insurance? How many families did you feed last night?

  2. Hollywood-the people who are struggling to pay a mortgage/rent as well as put food on the table for the family and pay for insurance, gas, electricity etc....those are the people who care. And the rest of us who are doinkg ok who still worry about those who are struggling just keep their heads above water but are working their tails off-those are the people who "care"-I for one am a youngihmson who "cares" because I have compassion and want to see everyone in a position to live well enough to be able to sleep at night knowing they will be ok and can afford to feed, clothe and house their families. That my friend is "who cares".

  3. Not that I feel I need to justify myself to you or anyone else for that matter...But here is a list of the charitable things I have been involved with for at least the past 5 years.

    I volunteer for ChildHaven which raises money for abused and neglected chilren, I work with a battered womens shelter donating clothes for them to get back on their feet and have buisnsess clothes to go on interviews-specifically when I had a child and became a stay at home mom I donated nearly all of my buisness clothes to that organization. In addition I donate money and food on a monthly basis to food banks. I also work with a job re-education and placement group for families who have lost jobs to outsourcing/downsizing. I donate dog food, cat food and money to The Humane Society. My husband and I (as well as most of my extended family) each pick a less fortunate family to "sponser" for Thanksgiving-donating the necessary food so they can have a Thanksgiving meal-we also "sponser" a family with children each Christmas-getting the age and sex of the children of the families and purchase clothes in the appropriate sizes and toys for the kids so they have something to open on Christmas day. I work with Meals on Wheeles to help seniors and disabled men and women who otherwise wouldn't have nutritious food each day. I do fundraising for the Red Cross (an organization I have both worked for and my mother currently works for) and also Habitat for Humanity-where my dad, brothers, brother in law my husband and myself have all helpd build roughly 4 homes for families who needed them. Those are just the things I do outside of the regular annual contributions my husband and I make to organizations who help out families with kids who may be in need due to medical bills, layoffs, housing issues etc. My sister in law runs an organization that connects families in crisis with families who can help and I am on a mailing list each month to help out specific families who need immediate help with things like rent, car problems, food, childcare, winter coats, heating costs etc. I work with the homless getting temporary housing and counseling for those individuals to get them off the street-into rehab facilities etc. I donate to the Disabled Americans Veterans Association. My best friend and I spend time tutoring kids in English and Math at the local school and also am active in afterschool programs for latch key kids. During election years I spend election days shuttling people that can't drive get to polling places so that they can vote.

    So before you presume that just because I have spent money on having my own kids-don't assume that I don't give back or just think about other families who need help without lifting a finger to do anything about it....I am actively and almost daily doing something to help out my local community and the people, children, families and animals in it to get them the goods and services they need to be more secure. I don't think spending money on building my own family makes me somehow less able to contribute to those who have less than I do.....if anything having a family of my own has made me MORE aware of what I need to do to help out those with less than me. But to be honest my parents raised me to be charitable-my father and grandparents brought my brothers and I up believing that we need to give back as an obligation for all that we were lucky enough to have.

    I guess my question to you would be-why do you think that just because someone has money to spend building a family that would mean they aren't capable of giving back? I am not sure how many families I fed last night.....but I do know that this fall alone I have donated over $1000.00 to three families for food and utilities, I have provided their kids with winter coats and money for winter shoes. I raised money through a fundraising campaign to help a single mom with three kids pay her rent after a kitchen fire burned her youngest child and she was fired from her job for needing to be at the hospital taking care of him while he recovered. Lastly I have helped place 16 animals who would have been euthanized into stable homes where they are loved. All of this while going through the process of another cycle to have another child of my own.....youngihmhaps that makes me selfish in your eyes.....I doubt seriously anyone else would agree with you.....specifically those people who know me and those families who I have helped.

    AND for what it's worth-not a dime of my donations is something I write off for taxes-so it has nothing to do with an offset I'm trying to accomplish.....it is purely because I care and I like to be actively involved with helping people have better lives.

  4. My query was a hypothetical you ranting idiot. How does it feel you wasted 45 minutes of writing that drivel that nobody cares about?

  5. Just ignore.

  6. Not that I feel I need to justify myself to you or anyone else for that matter...But here is a list of the charitable things I have been involved with for at least the past 5 years. I volunteer for ChildHaven which raises money for abused and neglected chilren, I work with a battered womens shelter donating clothes for them to get back on their feet and have buisnsess clothes to go on interviews-specifically when I had a child and became a stay at home mom I donated nearly all of my buisness clothes to that organization. In addition I donate money and food on a monthly basis to food banks. I also work with a job re-education and placement group for families who have lost jobs to outsourcing/downsizing. I donate dog food, cat food and money to The Humane Society. My husband and I (as well as most of my extended family) each pick a less fortunate family to "sponser" for Thanksgiving-donating the necessary food so they can have a Thanksgiving meal-we also "sponser" a family with children each Christmas-getting the age and sex of the children of the families and purchase clothes in the appropriate sizes and toys for the kids so they have something to open on Christmas day. I work with Meals on Wheeles to help seniors and disabled men and women who otherwise wouldn't have nutritious food each day. I do fundraising for the Red Cross (an organization I have both worked for and my mother currently works for) and also Habitat for Humanity-where my dad, brothers, brother in law my husband and myself have all helpd build roughly 4 homes for families who needed them. Those are just the things I do outside of the regular annual contributions my husband and I make to organizations who help out families with kids who may be in need due to medical bills, layoffs, housing issues etc. My sister in law runs an organization that connects families in crisis with families who can help and I am on a mailing list each month to help out specific families who need immediate help with things like rent, car problems, food, childcare, winter coats, heating costs etc. I work with the homless getting temporary housing and counseling for those individuals to get them off the street-into rehab facilities etc. I donate to the Disabled Americans Veterans Association. My best friend and I spend time tutoring kids in English and Math at the local school and also am active in afterschool programs for latch key kids. During election years I spend election days shuttling people that can't drive get to polling places so that they can vote. So before you presume that just because I have spent money on having my own kids-don't assume that I don't give back or just think about other families who need help without lifting a finger to do anything about it....I am actively and almost daily doing something to help out my local community and the people, children, families and animals in it to get them the goods and services they need to be more secure. I don't think spending money on building my own family makes me somehow less able to contribute to those who have less than I do.....if anything having a family of my own has made me MORE aware of what I need to do to help out those with less than me. But to be honest my parents raised me to be charitable-my father and grandparents brought my brothers and I up believing that we need to give back as an obligation for all that we were lucky enough to have. I guess my question to you would be-why do you think that just because someone has money to spend building a family that would mean they aren't capable of giving back? I am not sure how many families I fed last night.....but I do know that this fall alone I have donated over $1000.00 to three families for food and utilities, I have provided their kids with winter coats and money for winter shoes. I raised money through a fundraising campaign to help a single mom with three kids pay her rent after a kitchen fire burned her youngest child and she was fired from her job for needing to be at the hospital taking care of him while he recovered. Lastly I have helped place 16 animals who would have been euthanized into stable homes where they are loved. All of this while going through the process of another cycle to have another child of my own.....youngihmhaps that makes me selfish in your eyes.....I doubt seriously anyone else would agree with you.....specifically those people who know me and those families who I have helped. AND for what it's worth-not a dime of my donations is something I write off for taxes-so it has nothing to do with an offset I'm trying to accomplish.....it is purely because I care and I like to be actively involved with helping people have better lives.

    Very nice..You are a good youngihmson.

  7. rekabi1956,
    I do not resent the money and level of affluence you have reached by working hard, especially since you seem to give much of it to people in need. However, it does rankle me when people who work hard and make good money assume that anyone can work hard and live comfortably in America. My husband is a teacher in a low-income district. He makes $38,000 a year. Yes, he chose to become a teacher instead of a lawyer or doctor. He paid for his own college education, he works very hard and is dedicated to what he does. As do the firefighters, police officers, social workers, and brave men and women in the military that I know. Many of these people have chosen these jobs because they want a career where they actively help those less fortunate and make a difference in the world. Unfortunately, the government doesn't pay a fraction of what these jobs are worth.
    If we did not have the 16K of insurance that we have (not much, imo), I would not be pregnant. It is not fair that good, hardworking people who did not choose careers in law, business, or medicine should be looked down upon and seen as undeserving of the basic staple of human happiness: creating a family of their own.

  8. rekabi1956, my dear, you are always welcome at my house. I think we'd get along very well because I think you're great. There is nothing about you that I can think of that I could criticize, except maybe, just one teeny, tiny little weakness that you have.

    You nip when that raving lunatic troll rants her rude nonsense. Ignore her. She's a fool.

    (( )) to you, though, RR.

  9. My query was a hypothetical you ranting idiot. How does it feel you wasted 45 minutes of writing that drivel that nobody cares about?
    I thought you threatened to go away awhile back after you'd inappropriately slammed another poster because you thought she was someone else. If you hate it here so much, why did you come back?

    Hypothetical question of course.

  10. Quote:
    Posted by Skyangel...My husband is a teacher in a low-income district. He makes $38,000 a year. Yes, he chose to become a teacher instead of a lawyer or doctor. He paid for his own college education, he works very hard and is dedicated to what he does. As do the firefighters, police officers, social workers, and brave men and women in the military that I know. Many of these people have chosen these jobs because they want a career where they actively help those less fortunate and make a difference in the world. Unfortunately, the government doesn't pay a fraction of what these jobs are worth......It is not fair that good, hardworking people who did not choose careers in law, business, or medicine should be looked down upon and seen as undeserving of the basic staple of human happiness: creating a family of their own.
    I couldn't agree with you more....On the first point about your DH being a teacher-they are TERRIBLY underpaid-and VERY overworked....it angers me to an extent beyond belief what we expect them to do and how little they are compensated for the influencial and important job they do everyday.

    Second-Many of my family and friends are firefighters and policemen/women. (I lost a cousin in the Trade tower on 9/11-my roomate in college and his late wife were both cops-she was killed in the line of duty and it was devastating.) The men and women serving our nation in that capacity are living breathing hero's for what they do-and again-not compensated enough for their hard work in such dangerous environments. Most of my family and my DH's family has served in the military and to be honest the stories I know from them about what they endure(d) and how they are treated when they come back get's me so mad I want to scream-and I'm not just talking about the Vietnam war either-Now WWII vet's did get a hero's welcome but the aftercare for vet's is severely lacking-both on the physical side and specifically on the mental side-I have a dear friend who is leaving next month for his 5th active tour in the middle east-he's done 4 in Iraq and is now going to Afghanastan. It is unbelievable to me how brave they are and how little they are supported.

    Third-Anyone who thinks that a hardworking American is less deserving of basic things-here's where I'm getting cliche-Life, Liberty and the youngihmsuit of happiness.....is clueless and needs to be sat down and talked to about how this country runs and who the real people are behind it, making it run everyday-believe me it isn't the wall street bankers....it's the truck drivers, the police, the trachers, the farmers, the construction workers etc. They are the backbone. And for many the entire idea of the "youngihmsuit of happiness" is the idea of getting a good job, getting married AND RAISING A FAMILY! If those men and women who are the backbone of the country can't have children, and can't afford to get the help they need to try-either by IVF, ICIS, Adoption etc. then what we are really saying is that there is less value on those people than those who have million dollar bank accounts and work in highrise buildings and drive $50,000.00 cars.

    Fourth-I don't believe anyone who works hard in America can live well anymore-maybe in past decades but not today....I see proof of that everyday. And that is what has been happening in this country...when my father was a child in the average household 1.2 adults worked....so basically dad worked full time and mom might have worked part time....they could still aford to buy a house, have a car, save money and live. Now the average number of adults working in a household is 1.7.....so dad is still working fulltime and mom is nearly working full time as well. What get's me is that somehow we've been fooled into thinking our quality of life has gone up-when in reality it has gone down. People have less discretionary income, less savings, more debit, have a harder time putting their kids through college. I could go on and on. Healthcare is crippling us, outsourcing is crippling us, corporate america is crippling us.

    Unfortunately-I don't have a magic want to wave to fix it, nor do I have the answers to begin to try-I could mention some things I think would help...but when I read these boards about women (and men) taking out second and third mortgages just to have a glimmer of hope for a family it devastates me. When I hear-this is our last shot as we have no more money to do it again-I feel terrible. It shouldn't be that way-I am blessed-I am very aware of that fact. I wish I could see all the couples who truly want a family-be able to do so and not have to go broke trying. But they can't and I really don't know how to come to terms with that.

    I know I'm rambling now but your point is valid-hard working men and women should have the opportunities, and access to fertility treatments they want and need. Nobody should ever find themselves on the vet board. I have no idea what my point is exactly but you are right, making a choice to serve the country in a way that should be held in the highest esteem should not disqualify you from having the chocie to build and raise a family. By making fertility treatments the exclusivitivity of the rich all we do is create an even further divide between the have and the have nots.....and it's just not right.

  11. Dear, sweet youngihm....you are going to hate me for this, but I have to nip. And Morrison-I luve you as well-so here comes the claws......

    Originally Posted by bkotsana

    Quote:
    My query was a hypothetical you ranting idiot. How does it feel you wasted 45 minutes of writing that drivel that nobody cares about?

    I have boxes full of pictures and letters from families, kids, seniors, veterans and cancer survivors who all seem to care a great deal about my "drivel".

    You are a trite proletariat of the lowest form-if you can't understand who on this planet would care about my eleemosynary efforts then there is no rational explanation to continue to have a banal colloquy with someone as classically ignorant and borrish as you.

    Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! Hypothetically speaking, of course!

  12. Dear, sweet youngihm....you are going to hate me for this, but I have to nip. And Morrison-I luve you as well-so here comes the claws...... Originally Posted by bkotsana I have boxes full of pictures and letters from families, kids, seniors, veterans and cancer survivors who all seem to care a great deal about my "drivel". You are a trite proletariat of the lowest form-if you can't understand who on this planet would care about my eleemosynary efforts then there is no rational explanation to continue to have a banal colloquy with someone as classically ignorant and borrish as you. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! Hypothetically speaking, of course!

    I think you are officially my new hero. Jeni

  13. rekabi1956 - delurking to say "my hero" while swooning.

  14. Thanks Hawk-I've always been fond of you as well-of course I could be biased because I'm a Seattle SeaHAWKS fan! LOL I'm wondering how many of those words she/he has to look up? tehehe....oh yeah-I've got a seat right up next to the fire in hell waiting for me!

  15. Dear, sweet youngihm....you are going to hate me for this, but I have to nip. And Morrison-I luve you as well-so here comes the claws......Originally Posted by bkotsana I have boxes full of pictures and letters from families, kids, seniors, veterans and cancer survivors who all seem to care a great deal about my "drivel". You are a trite proletariat of the lowest form-if you can't understand who on this planet would care about my eleemosynary efforts then there is no rational explanation to continue to have a banal colloquy with someone as classically ignorant and borrish as you. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! Hypothetically speaking, of course!

    You are a complete joke. Nothing what you do is even all that admirable. I would run circles around you, however I'm not one to boost. I don't need to.

  16. I thought you threatened to go away awhile back after you'd inappropriately slammed another poster because you thought she was someone else. If you hate it here so much, why did you come back?Hypothetical question of course.

    Shouldn\'t you be worrying about other things while you are miscarrying?

  17. I think you are officially my new hero. Jeni

    Says the chick who is going to exploit another woman in a third world country for her eggs while her husband is sterile. I'm sure your bar for heroism is below the pavement.

  18. Morrison-Are you okay?

  19. Ok-ladies-run away, just run the-f-away fast......this is beyond-nobody with a heart or soul could have said something like that.....fu*k......talk about the devil's mistress!

  20. Yes, I am. Troll has no clue what it is talking about and can't spell either, pay no attention.

    Good, I got worried about you!

    OK, will refrain from further comments

  21. Morrison-Are you okay?
    Yes, I am. Troll is a sick, sad youngihmson who should be ignored, which is fine since it's not one to "boost". It has no clue what it is talking about, makes no sense and can't spell; pay no attention.

    Sorry...didn\'t mean to delete that.

  22. This troll just makes up new names...............the MO is so obvious that we all know its just her again trying to see if IVFC will implode and people will go and play in her new sandbox. Doesn't affect me in the least. Jeni

    Not only are you delusional you are a paranoid whack job. I searched your name earlier and saw your mental breakdown over a poll where you thought some trolls were manipulating it. Turns out the new poll shows the same results as the old poll even with posters' accounts shown. What a freak you are.

  23. Yes, I am. Troll is a sick, sad youngihmson who should be ignored, which is fine since it's not one to "boost". It has no clue what it is talking about, makes no sense and can't spell; pay no attention. Sorry...didn't mean to delete that.

    This troll just makes up new names...............the MO is so obvious that we all know its just her again trying to see if IVFC will implode and people will go and play in her new sandbox. Doesn't affect me in the least. Jeni

  24. No one at all should feel they need to justify their income level to anyone (high nor low) but I just think going forward, it's best to keep your income level anonymous, as Mairead intended in the poll.

    Just my two cents (I don't disclose DH and my income level even to my closest friends).

  25. I did a search on your posting history also...

    Hmmm

    You never even did an ivf

    You keep giving people sh-tty advice

    I tell ya, jealousy is an interesting thing. You are jealous of Morrison (for the obvious reasons).

    I searched your name earlier and saw your mental breakdown over a poll where you thought some trolls were manipulating it

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