Refresh my memory please!

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  1. I am preparing for baby #2 to arrive, and have been washing all my nursing bras and tanks...which jogged my memory a bit.

    I am starting to have vague flashbacks of not being able to sleep, even if DH did the middle-of-the-night feeding, because my boobs would leak in the middle of the night and I'd have to pump. There were no consecutive hours of sleep in the night until I came down with the flu once, sort of "lost" my supply due to dehydration, and never sufficiently got it back up again. this was the only time in 3months that I did not have to wake at 3am to pump.

    When does this end? When can you sleep through the night (if your DP offers to give a bottle)? I am starting to panic.

    (in case you haven't figured out, I think BFing is great but was never *exclusively* into it...I'd like a night or two a week where DH gives a bottle)

  2. Congrats on being almost at the end Sorry to tell you, but you cannot sleep all nigh without nursing or pumping. Maybe you can skip one feeding, but only if it every night. So, maybe you can sleep 4 hours and miss one feeding. I used to wake my DH at first to change diapers in the middle of the night but for my singletons he was never involved in any feedings at night. Sometimes if the baby refused to sleep after nursing I would wake him to take over, but that was rare. I always leaked at first even though I was nursing all of the time - its normal.

    Good Luck - you can do it

    Telly
    DS-6y
    Twin DDs-5y
    DS-3y

  3. hoping~

    I just happened upon your post. I am going to let my supply get established and then introduce a bottle (probably of formula) at one specific feeding initially (so my body gets used to it). I really don't want to pump, so I am going to try and find a middle ground somewhere once things are "set in motion" and I have established a good supply, I also don't want to exclusively BF.

    I do also plan on offering a bottle to the baby within the first few weeks, but again, only at a specific feeding as to not confuse him too much. This way if DH is home, he can possibly feed the baby, and maybe just that one night I can go to bed early since he will be gone most nights.

    Brittany

    P.s. I cannot remember when I started weaning off pumping for the night feeds (it was rediculous pumping at 4am!) but I do remember it being pretty painful trying to get through the night with the "rocks" on my chest!

  4. Our situation was much the same as Telly's and I'm expecting to be up alone through the night with this baby too (though no 4am pumping like with the twins). Fortunately (and if I'm really lucky yet again) my kids start sleeping through by about two months. It may not be that long for you if you decide to replace a nighttime feed with a bottle (dropping your production at that hour of the night), but you have to give it up completely like Brittany or your body won't know when to make milk for that feeding and when not to.

    Kasamanli
    DS1 - 3y11m
    DS2 - 1y5m
    DD1 - 1y5m
    DD2 - scheduled to arrive in 3w

  5. hoping - My ebf DS started sleeping through the night at 2 months and so did I. The first few mornings I woke up with rock hard breasts, but your body learns to adjust. I would think you could occasionally skip a feed and have DH feed the baby and you would be okay. You may leak, and you may get full, but I would think you could skip one feed. Now if your baby is nursing every 3 hours, then I wouldn't go 9 or more hours between feedings without pumping, but skipping one feed and going 6 hours, you would probably still be okay. If you can get through the first 2-3 months of breastfeeding, then it gets so much easier. No cleaning bottles. You have a ready supply of milk when you are out and baby is hungry. After 2 months the length of time they nurse also reduces, sometimes to as little as 5-10 minutes a session. So just hang in there, it is so worth it!
    Jennifer

  6. Thanks for the encouragement everyone. I forgot how supportive other BFing moms can be!

    Fortunately (and if I'm really lucky yet again) my kids start sleeping through by about two months. It may not be that long for you if you decide to replace a nighttime feed with a bottle (dropping your production at that hour of the night), but you have to give it up completely like Brittany or your body won't know when to make milk for that feeding and when not to. KasamanliDS1 - 3y11mDS2 - 1y5mDD1 - 1y5mDD2 - scheduled to arrive in 3w

    My DD was sleeping through the night by 6 weeks. My body never adjusted. I still had to keep waking up at least once, if not twice at night to pump. This did go away by 3 months, but it was only b/c I got really dehydrated by the flu. Then, at that point, I couldn't get my supply back up. I really want to do this for longer this time. Heck, I'd like to skip pumping altogether if I can but I tend to have a severe oversupply of milk and I am starting to get scared again of it completely taking over my life.

  7. hoping, it isn't necesssarily true that one can't get through the night w/o pumping or nursing- i know that, starting around 6 weeks, i had dh give b a bottle of ebm at 2 or 3 am or so- and i could sleep through till 530 or so w/o trouble- maybe somewhat full the first few nights. if you pump, then you're encouraging your body to think it should produce milk at that time- maybe if you pumped just a little- just enough to east the discomfort- and pumped less and less each night- your body ought to adjust

    pilma

  8. hoping, it isn't necesssarily true that one can't get through the night w/o pumping or nursing- i know that, starting around 6 weeks, i had dh give b a bottle of ebm at 2 or 3 am or so- and i could sleep through till 530 or so w/o trouble- maybe somewhat full the first few nights. if you pump, then you're encouraging your body to think it should produce milk at that time- maybe if you pumped just a little- just enough to east the discomfort- and pumped less and less each night- your body ought to adjustpilma

    OK, thanks. I will try pumping a little only to keep me from leaking. I was never an exclusive BFer when I did do it anyway, so it doesn't bother me if she gets a bottle of formula or EBM.

  9. Just to clarify - if the baby is not waking at night, I should NOT be pumping in the night either, correct?

    I feel like I am getting low again, and am wondering if it is b/c I go for so long w/out nursing at night (from 10pm-5am, roughly...when baby sleeps - she is 7 weeks old).

    My DD used to eat every 3 hours - now she is hungry almost an hour after a feeding and this has been going on for a week and a half (this seems not normal to me at this stage - she is not a newborn anymore). I have been trying everything for a week and a half (and I do feed her whenever she is hungry, as I know that is how I will get my supply back up). I am also taking Fenugreek and Alfalfa, plus the tea. I pumped last night at 10pm when DH gave a bottle and all I got was a measley 3.5oz (and this is after 3 hours of her last feed, so I should have more come out than an avg feeding would give) . I used to produce twice that much. WTF?

    I feel like I am about to throw in the towel. I am not capable of dealing with this amount of crying with no increase in supply/progress (assuming this is a growth spurt). I was spoiled - had a ton of milk in the beginning and a baby who more or less went 3 hours in between feeds from 2 weeks onward. Was very predictable and contented in between feeds. I just can't deal with this AND a 2.5 year old anymore.

    I KNEW this was going too smoothly! I have kept thinking, when is the hard part going to come? Here it is!

  10. Thanks so much for the support, 5ft6. I think I'm just having a tough morning. I am used to oversupply, and I *think* that my milk supply is normalizing itself out and on top of that, I think we are on the tail end of the 6 week growth spurt. On top of that, this stuff is a stretch for my personality...I like order and predictability.

    I don't want to give this up just yet, and I want to make it past 3 months which is only as far as I got with my 1st.

    Thanks again.

  11. hoping - I just wanted to give you some support and second what M said.

    My DS slept through the night around 2 mo and I never pumped. I exclusively bf for 16 months with no supply issues.

    It sounds to me like she is going through a growth spurt and just wants to nurse a lot during the day. She also may be trying to make up for what she is missing at night (STTN).

    I also think it is easy to doubt your supply when you had an oversupply in the beginning, because you were so full at that time and now it has evened out. That doesn't mean your supply has gone down, just that your breasts have figured everything out too.

    Also I totally second the pumping. A pump is not as efficient. But also according to kellymom.com, most bf babies take an average of 25 oz a day. That was definitely the case with my DD (I think my DS took more). I don't know how many times a day you are feeding her, but if it is 8 then she should only be taking about 3 oz a feed, so that is how much you pumped. Your supply is also naturally lowest in the evening and highest in the morning and sometimes in middle of the night. My DD would take 2.5-3 oz most of the day and would take 6+ oz in the middle of the night and 4-5 oz first thing in the morning. (I had a scale and would weigh her before and after feeds - but she was adopted and I induced lactation so I worried about supply all the time - don't let yourself become like me, I was obsessed).

    Hang in there it will get easier. And if you make it through you will look back and wonder why you thought it was so hard. Because it gets so easy later.

    Jennifer

  12. Thank you so much Jennifer - that's exactly the kind of encouragement I needed...and what you are saying makes a lot of sense. Thank you so much!

  13. We are waiting to adopt again and I hope to be able to bf again and I have already told my DH not to let me get as crazy in the beginning again. It is so hard to remember that it does get easier and the hard times only last a short time (but at the time they seem soooo long).
    Jennifer

  14. hoping, sorry i didn't see this before, but wanted to add one thing. it may be that she wants to nurse for comfort and so has gotten into a snacking thing- she eats just enough to hold her for an hour and then she's hungry again. might not be supply at all, esp if you get 3 oz with the pump. you can try putting her off, using other techniques to help her stop fussing, until it's been a good 2 or 2 1/2 hours, then she might nurse a little more thoroughly.

    fwiw, all three of mine, at this age, spent the vast majority of their awake time fusspotting. N is 7 weeks, like M, and that's his hobby, too

    hang in there, pilma

  15. thanks for the support ladies. it's amazing how quickly things can go from zen to panic when dealing with BFing issues. things seem to be a little better...however the following night after i posted this i only pumped 1.5oz at the same time of night after 3 hours of feeding DD...so there was def something going on with my supply. i've order some of that drug that starts with a "D" because the fenugreek, blessed thistle and alfalfa i've been on for the past 4 days is doing very little, if anything at all. i'm not going to give up, because i know i will feel like cr*p if i do. plus, i think i am still in a zone where i can correct things.

    p.s. i like all of your words pilma - i stole "snarfing" from you and now i am going to do the same with the word fusspotting...

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